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Business Support LLC

Posted: May 16, 2013



I just did a quick test.
I created a task on the iphone and added a note.

I then went to the web page (laptop), did a refresh, and I could see the task and note fine.
I added a line to the note using the web page.

I then went back to the iphone, and both lines of the note showed in the task (after a sync).
I added another line to the note.

I went back to the web page and I could see all lines of the note.

Note: I had removed the app from my iphone with the latest problems to prevent sync problems from corrupting my data/tasks. So I installed it in new.
Try a stop and start of the app to see if that helps (it fixed some other sync problems for users).
Business Support LLC

Posted: May 15, 2013
From Topic: Complex Search



Write your search for each day/lcoation whatever you are focusing on. Yup, means more searches but gets you want you want.


E.G. for your example:

SAT-FOCUS (search name)
Tag=House Chores OR
Due Date = Today OR
whatever else will fill your Sat search.

Hope that helps.
Business Support LLC

Posted: May 15, 2013



Yup, noticed this today but I use Firefox.
It seems when it is a more complicated search and will have more answers, it seems stuck for 20 seconds or so then answers.
Business Support LLC

Posted: May 11, 2013
From Topic: Iphone Sync problems



Jeff (and others).
They released a iphone update - available on the ihpone app store about 2 days ago.
I just finished testing this out (I had taken it off my iphone and wanted to make sure I did a backup and expoert both and then do explicit testing before I started using this again.

My preliminary testing worked fine.
Tasks on the iphone were updated to the web page quickly (I refreshed it 1 minute later and they were there).
Changes on the web page to existing tasks - to notes, folder, and goal, were all updated on the iphone (after a sync).

So it looks like the problems were fixed.

My initial sync (over 670 tasks) took a few minutes - but not more than 5 or 10 - it was over half way done after about 2-3 minutes but then I walked away for a while).
Syncs of a few changes were quick (e.g. less than a minute).

Check out the latest iphone app and see if this fixed your slow sync problem.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 25, 2013



In toodl4do to have the same view, you can set up a search that looks for tasks for the week (or couple of days you want to look for), sorted by due day & priority.
You need to change the fields for each task (not drag and drop) to change the priority and due day).

But you might be more interested in checking out importance, you can set this as a sort, which takes the due data & priority into account to put the most important/urgent tasks at the top.
This works for any list of tasks (from a search or all tasks ...), at the top there is the add task, show, then sort. Under sort, there are 3 icons that shows how it is sorted. Just click the first one and set that to importance.

Then just work down the list.


This message was edited Apr 25, 2013.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 22, 2013



Fuzzy weapon - sounds like you want timeboxing - yup, I am kludging this into toodledo right now, it means I have to manually make tasks in toodledo for tasks right now.
I put this in as a request (via support ticket).
Glad to see others want it also!!! As I really would like it.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 22, 2013
From Topic: Iphone Sync problems



Jake, I hope you realize this is not just about note sync but due date/folders syncing, and about tasks created on the phone not syncing to the web page. And I am sure you appreciate that is makes the iphone app unusable until it is fixed (so a high priority problem).

I know you have my trouble report on the non note synching issues and it is still open and being worked on.

I gladly volunteer for any extra traces you want to put in to catch why this is going on. As I said, this happens quickly to me.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 22, 2013



Posted by christopher.millward:
How do you deal with situations where you look at your list and decide that you'd rather have a beer and lounge in the back yard than tackle any of it? It seems like prescribed amounts of time for each goal each week would introduce a little residual guilt for willingly deciding *not* to do anything?


Chris, there are several approaches to this. Schedule breaks/down time/exercise/family time/etc. Or schedule only a certain percentage of the day as productive time (e.g. X hours a day). Or schedule only a certain amount of tasks - time management folks say anything from schedule 1-2 larger tasks (some call them big rocks), and 2-4 smaller tasks.

I am looking at things from a tracking/managing perspective and I don't want to spent more time tracking than being productive, so I want to track only my work towards goals. So if I have a goal of exercise time, I might want to track that. But I don't want to track down time, I just want to track productive time. I am playing with scheduling X hours of productive time a day (still refining what X works best for me).

Since part of my goal is to track productive time vs non productive time, I (anyone) can at any time decide they need some down time and take those choices.
In reality, certain tasks can be done for hours straight, and others need a break every 5 minutes, it really depends on the task and how each of us individually struggle with it.
For time planning and goal progression, my main review is weekly (more often feel very unproductive and will just create those guilt feelings when things are going fine). So I look at if I am spending enough productive time to meet my goals at the rate I want to meet them, or do I need to increase my productive time or even reduce my productive time if I am not meeting my life goal of enjoying life (yup, I have one of those with subgoals and planning when it is called for - weekends away, longer trips regularly, etc.).

So same as money budgeting, too tight drives you crazy and makes life unenjoyable, but keeping to your goals which includes some splurge/fun money brings happiness - you meet your larger goals at a rate your are comfortable with while also having the fun time you are comfortable with - the specifics of how much fun time vs larger goals are specific to the person/family.


This message was edited Apr 22, 2013.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 15, 2013



Do you have your folders private or have it set so your collaborate can see the folder.
Typically the collaborator can see everything in the folder you are sharing with them.
When you assign something to the other person, you can only see the task if they have set up their folders for you to share.

Solution,
Keep the assigned task in one folder and share that folder only (both directions).

Or use a joint task, that way you both see it. And it is only the one task, not a folder.

See https://www.toodledo.com/info/sharing.php for more information.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 13, 2013



OK, I understand, you are doing lots of projects, so would be creating new folders all the time. I was thinking if the folder was created, it is just as quick to move something into another folder than change the tag. I don't have that many project folders - only for the very large projects (350 tasks for my big one) and those folders rarely change. I only have about 6 and create a new one rarely - typically when re-arranging everything in a new format.

I recently became frustrated on task management not working the way I wanted, and realized one of the big things was that toodledo doesn't use goals well. You have to force it on your own setting up SMART goals, then sub goals then folders/tasks/subtasks. This makes it a lot clearer what the goals are and I think would reduce multi-tagging your items.

For example your marathon and set up home gym seem part of the same larger goal (like be fit), but maybe not, maybe you have a competitive goal because doing competition makes you happy that includes marathons, racing, etc. If the goal is the same - e.g. be fit, than your resources (time) are competing for the two tasks and one of them will prevail in priority and the treadmill would naturally fit into that one.

See the writeup I did https://www.toodledo.com/forums/3/17121/0/becoming-a-power-user.html - While it is focused on setting things up for quick effortless reviews, it talks indirectly about those goals you set up (like being fit) and each goal gets a chunk of time each day/week - since the goal gets the time (not the project/tasks under it), the projects/tasks compete for that time and a natural priority develops (e.g. what is most important to reach your goal, it gets the time or the bulk of it or maybe it is split between two, but not between 10). So the tasks like get a treadmill would naturally fall under the higher priority project/tasks.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 12, 2013
From Topic: Becoming a Power User



This is a long post but I just figured out something I have been struggling to do all week (with tons of time spent, yup it affected my other tasks) that will really change how I do task management – much more task doing and much less task management. Something I wish someone had told me about when I first started using toodledo as this is the difference between a power user and someone working off a task list. Some of you are already power users and I thank you for your posts because it helped me take the last step towards being a power user. But most people are about half way there (like I was, using GTD and toodledo strongly but not really a power user yet – read more for the differences) or just using toodledo as a task list and not really getting the benefits they could be getting.

There is a big difference between using toodledo and knowing all the features and doing prioritizing of your tasks to try and stay on top of things versus being a power user, where the use of the tool has just improved your life 10 fold and you are spending your time doing your tasks, not managing your tasks.
I have used Toodledo, as a pro users (needed subtasks and collaboration) for several years now and had all the basics down. But I still struggled to have my days flow at the level I knew they could.

Here is an example of being a power user, for money budgeting. It took me only a couple of months on a great tool to rise to this level where as with task management it has taken me more like a couple of years. I think it is easier to see the concept with money, so I am giving this example (feel free to skip it, the task management is bolded below but it refers to these concepts explained here). And for me I had become a money management power user fairly quickly and wow, was that great. So I just needed to figure out how to make my task management do the same thing (it was much easier said then done – but a week later, I got it!!!).

I use YNAB (You need a budget), which I highly recommend, which focuses on your money goals not what is in your bank accounts (e.g. your life goals, not your tasks in toodledo). After a few attempts of using this over a few months with the old way of thinking about budgets but including the couple of neat tricks that YNAB is based on, I was struggling. I wanted to know if I was on goal (what is the use of budgeting if you are not meeting your goals). I tried the old methods of comparing budgeted to actual and still struggled. So in attempting to figure out if I was on goal, I realized that using the tool was about REVIEWS, setting goals and reviewing them quickly and painlessly so what you are doing is living life (doing things and spending money along the way) not spending a lot of your time managing your money (both your budgingyou’re your spending). I have a fuller write up in http://www.youneedabudget.com/forum/post91217.html#p91217, but basically I started putting my money in “folders/categories” by How I Reviewed the items.

I realized that I only needed a short (like 5-10 minutes) review, once a month, for 75% of my budget. This included reviews for:
1) Already made decisions (regular payments made for fixed or close to fixed amounts that didn’t change unless I made a big decisions – changed my car, housing, cable or phone plan, etc.). Money got put in monthly, bills paid regularly
REVIEWS: Done monthly to confirm the month ended with a zero balance (any over or under, usually just a few dollars, got shifted to/from another category).
Review also if a decision is made that will change this (e.g. change housing, car, etc. so the corresponding regular payment changes).

2) Special things being saved for like a new house, car, furniture, paying off a debt, retirement, etc. Money got put in monthly and goals were set and once a month a review was done to see if I was on track, adjusting as goals changed.
REVIEWS: Simple, painless, quick reviews and still reaching my goals – how it is supposed to be.

The real kicker, was where we spent our daily/weekly review time. Monthly also to make sure we were on track, but Daily to actually make budgeting decisions – e.g. spend or don’t spend. We had two areas for this:

3) We highlighted an area we wanted a top priority to give it special attention, and there could be unexpected large bills out of here. So it could blow the budget (for the week, month, or longer but it was important to us so likely we would blow the budget if something came up). For us this was health of the family including pets and the vehicles. While most of the time this just ran along fine (expected Dr/Vet/Mechanic visits), there could be unexpected bills here, so it was reviewed monthly to make sure it matched what was typically spent out. It was also reviewed each time we spent out of it to confirm it was a normal expense that was covered, or that it was something not covered (or we were not sure we expected it) so that we could adjust the budget to cover it (fill back up the emergency fund over the next several months or move money into this account from vacation, new car, etc. as we need to spend big bucks in the account for a while at least (e.g. serious illness or new car needed now!!).

REVIEWS: Quick as we had the format set up, but they were more often – whenever we were going to spend out of these accounts to confirm if it was handled or something needed to shift (fill up emergency fund again, did we really want to pay $2000 for that test/car repair and what would we gain by doing so compared to our other choices?).

4) Our daily spending that could get out of hand, e.g. use up all the resources (money). Again, you will have your own area that you can go hog wild on and need to manage daily. For us this was food both at the grocery store (fancy expensive foods or beans and rice) and eating out (a little, lots, each time expensive or cheaper), fun events or small vacations, smaller purchases for the house/kitchen/neat stuff (whim purchases but also the blender broke we need a new one), etc.
To manage this easily, we set a cap and would review it regularly as we spent (so going out to dinner an extra time that week, review the spending – if we are already high for the month – e.g. ½ the money spent but only 8 days in, consider skipping the extra dinner out). Want to buy a small kitchen appliance, check and see if we are behind or ahead in our spending and maybe push that appliance out a month or make a decision to buy it now but skip some dinners out.

REVIEWS: Done often, a quick review to see if our spending matched the timing (e.g. ½ of the month gone, is ½ of the money gone or is it more/less). Typically a couple of times a week at times for us when the question came up do you want to go out to dinner tonight or I would like to buy (something that fit into this category that was atypical like a kitchen appliance, a new tool, etc.). Reviews at the end of the money, to adjust if we under/over spend (we have rules of what happens in these cases so decisions already made, just carry them out).

The bottom line - Simple, easy, quick reviews to keep us on track for our goals. And using this we marched nicely at a good pace to meeting our goals. We lived life and spent our money according to our goals, we didn’t spend time managing our budget.

So translating this to task management:
The numbers below for time spending categories match the numbers above for money spending categories.

This means I need:
1) Routine things I have to do that are always a fixed amount of time (e.g. standing meetings, standard processing that always takes about the same time each time I do it). This equates to money spending of standard big bills that never change without a goal decision change (like mortgage/rent). Allocate the time/money then spend the time/money. Do monthly reviews to see if we are on track or want to change something (e.g. spend more/less money by changing our living situation, our car, our cable services --- for time management drop out of a group as it is not as productive or change a job so the meetings change or use a different system/tool for those regular tasks so you need to adjust the time spent doing those regular tasks).

SETUP: Put these type of tasks in one place (folder, tag, something that makes them easy to find for reviews). Count the amount of time spent (I include commute time or transition time in them) and allocate that time (e.g. length, and a due date and if needed a start date).
REVIEW: Once a month do a quick fast review to make sure nothing has changed and you have meet these goals (spent this time), make any adjustments as needed.
If there is a big decision/goal change (e.g. job change, a new child on the way), change these to match the new goals (fixed items change like new meetings at new job, needing to be home more hours to spend time with/take care of new baby/family, etc.).

2) Larger goals I want to make regular progress towards. In money managing this is new car, new house, big vacation, retirement. In time management this can be start a business, set up family trusts/wills/budgeting, set up new tools for backup, build a new house, even medium sized goals like buy a new car or house. It doesn’t have to be done by X date, like this week, it can be worked on over time till it is done. How much time or money is allocated for these types of goals depends on how quickly you want to get there.

SETUP: Decide your goals, subgoals, and what project/tasks will help you reach those goals. Give them a set amount of time, either what will get you there in the time you want to reach it, or what you can afford to give (e.g. pushing the date out some because we just can’t do it all after all).
REVIEW: Once a month quick review to make sure we are on track and if we want to make any changes to move a goal sooner or later because we want to spend the time in another place. If any of the larger goals change or a big upheaval happens like #3 below, review this to change it at that time also.

3) A way to handle big unexpected time events. Yup, we all got that. Boss says I need this new project done by X date. Or like me, I got so frustrated at things not going the way I want them to go, I basically put everything on hold for a week, and worked on how do I get my task management working better – it is driving me crazy (the time was spent reviewing other products, reviewing other task management systems similar to GTD, then reading forums searching for how to solve my problems and give me what I really wanted), or a chance came up to go on a long trip and we need to clean off our desk and hand off tasks before we go.

SETUP: Yup, there is a setup. Each day/week should have some emergency time that is spent in lower priority tasks that can be given up in crunch time, and when we get pushed for something done quickly they naturally are not done. You can also think through now what can be pushed off if something like this comes up, e.g. what is the priority of the projects/tasks you are working on. You can have an emergency time fund (just like the money emergency funds) – you know right up front you will give up if you need a big chunk of time. And a time emergency fund for work and for outside of work. E.G. What is your goal priority – if you suddenly needed a big chunk of time at home, would you rather give up the night out with the guys/gals or exercise or that social meeting or …. If you suddenly needed a big chunk of time at work, what is most critical to continue, what can be pushed off. Knowing these priorities up front (I have a rules writeup that helps with reviews for money and how emergency funds are handled for money, as a tickler file, make something like this for time) will help you do a quick fast review and within minutes smoothly adjust your task managing when those big unexpected events come up.

REVIEW: When the big unexpected time event occurs, do a quick review to see what needs to shift and enact the shift. Since it is already planned out with emergency time (e.g. Spend less time on email or helping co-workers or with the guys/gals outside of work and move that time into this big task, maybe even pushing out all the tasks for the week except a couple critical ones that HAVE to be done to make enough time for a bug unexpected event).

4) This is the category that contains things easy to overspend. For money, for me, it was eating out more often, fun events or trips, gadgets for the kitchen, computer, etc. For time management this might be those little busy tasks, it might be reading and responding to email, phone calls, etc. It might be researching, learning things. These are easy to identify, track your time for a week, what takes over your life or at least all your life outside of those mandatory meetings. This is what you need to manage daily/weekly to keep it in mind watching that it only takes up the time allocated to it for the day/week/month and doesn’t overflow and eat up all the time that was supposed to be allocated to the other tasks/goals.

SETUP: Put these tasks in a folder/category and manage them tighter with reviews every hour/few hours/day depending on what works for you. It will take some time to figure out how to do this. Learn how to say no, focus, refocus, etc. Use tools/techniques like timeboxing (set up your tasks for the day, allocating time to each category, then use a timer to start and stop your task – when it goes off that category gets put down till the next day and you work on another category). Use tricks like email clearing (it gets trashed, filed preferable with filters so you never see it but it is there when you want it, or put into toodledo for an action item so your inbox is always empty). Do pushes on a task then give yourself a small reward for accomplishing it. Eat the frog. Prioritizing goals/tasks like giving each large task an appropriate chunk of time each day/week based on the goal importance to you. There are tools out there that will tell you when you are spending too much time doing time wasting activities (e.g. facebook, certain web pages you flag, they look like you can set the web pages/apps and the times of what triggers the flag. They can also track and give you weekly reports saying where you are spending your time.
This area is harder than money management, for me at least, and this is what set me off to figure out a better tool/method to task manage. I will be using timeboxing (kludged since toodledo doesn’t really do timeboxing) and set up reviews into these categories so I can manage this category closely and make sure I am giving enough time to the other categories.

REVIEW: Once it is setup with time goals, just review once or twice a day and weekly to see if you are sticking to your goals, adjusting as you need to so either you stay inside the goal or you change the goal to something you can live with.

This, last category I think is the hardest one as a lot of interpersonal issues come up. E.g. You are in support, your job is interrupt driven, but you have other goals you want to accomplish also, how do you carve out that other time and how can you make your interrupts efficient so you will have more time to spend on other tasks. Bottom line, how can you manage these tasks including the inflow, so that you have time for other goal areas you want to allocate some time.


NOTE: Behind all this is the strong saved searches many people are doing so when they are working on something that is the only thing in front of their face, whether it is location based, project based, meeting based, person based, etc. Being able to work efficiently and effectively helps give you more time to spend on other goals.
AND you have to come up with a system that fits for you. What is bogging me down right now is the longer term tasks are not moving ahead at a fast enough pace as they are not getting enough time given to them. Your sticking place maybe something else. But bottom line, figure out what you need to solve and figure out how it can be solved and you will be amazed how much more productive you become because you are no longer managing your tasks, you are managing your time (or money).


A side note, in my reviews and searches for what will pull me up to a power user, I also did find some tools out there that will help me and that are more goal focused but not yet up to toodledo’s strengths but I will be keeping an eye on them.

I hope this was useful to some of you and worth the long read and sparks some ideas to help you make your tools/systems more effective. I look forward to any comments / suggestions / feedback.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 12, 2013



Chris, So I was curious why you dislike folders and instead put things under tasks and subtasks.

We have a very large project so need the 3 levels (folder, tasks, subtasks), but our other projects don't need 3 levels.

I like to group things in a folder for easier reviews.
For example:
I try not to use due dates for anything with a soft day they need to be done by, as often these dues dates just get changed a lot.
However, everything that has a soft due date, that is not part of a project, gets put in old folder as I want to review them more often to make sure I don't miss them. So that folder might be reviewed a few times a week.
Things like grocery shop, haircuts due, etc.

Another folder for habits, things I want to monitor so it happens (exercise, take vitamins, etc.). But I don't want them cluttering up my other task searches.

Now I could use a context or tag instead.

But I don't see the advantage to not using a folder.

If I want to change the bucket I am looking at, it is just a quick to change a folder as it is to change a tag/context.

So please give some more information of why you dislike using folders.
Thanks, Jane
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 12, 2013
From Topic: Iphone Sync problems



pzach100: The syncing is from the iphone side, not the web page side. Yes the wording in the reply above was not as clear - in my support ticket they didn't say and I spent 30 minutes trying to figure it out including searching the forum until I found the information it was on the iphone. The iphone is also where you can force a copy one way, and get what is on one side but lose anything that was edited/changed on the other side.

It is not just notes, because I changed other things like due dates.
And tasks I had added on the iphone didn't ever get to the web page, not even by the next day, and not after a forced sync. That would have been a big problem if I didn't catch it the next day as they were critical tasks with hard dates.

I have deleted the iphone app for now and if I have to use toodledo on the iphone (I try not to), I use the web browser to access the information.
Not a good solution at all, but I can't afford to have things get lost and out of sync.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 06, 2013
From Topic: Iphone Sync problems



Yup, took about 90 minutes for the iphone and web page to get out of sync. A task that was deleted last week sometime showed up on the iphone. After the iphone was purged and reloaded from the web page (which should not have had that task anymore as uncompleted).

Don't know about you guys, but I have about 350+ tasks, so to review them all for differences between the web page and the iphone is way to costly time-wise.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 06, 2013
From Topic: Iphone Sync problems



Yes, I SHOULD be able to force a sync, but as I said that didn't work. I did it about 5 times with no success.

I didn't get any further replies from my support ticket and of course I am concerned about my data becoming inaccurate, so I manually went thru each task to put them in sync.

Are you guys checking your iphone vs web page to see if they are out of sync? I found several items on the iphone that never got to the web page and a bunch of items that were changed on the web page(moved to another folder, text edited, etc.) that didn't get changed on the iphone. Yup took about 30 minutes and I was scanning only to see if the first part of the text of the subject was wrong, who knows about the edits in the notes, other fields, etc but I didn't have hours to check all that.

Again, this makes the iphone app unusable.

I bet this has been happening for a long time, but others like me haven't noticed as we don't double check they are in sync all the time, we bought a program we assumed worked. I have noticed things out of sync and told support that I was missing tasks that were entered (in the last few months) but was told "they didn't know of any issues".

So I bet this is happening a lot and others just are not aware their data is being lost.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Apr 05, 2013
From Topic: Iphone Sync problems



I have been getting these regularly and again things got out of sync. Not fixed by a manual sync, rebooting the iphone app, nor by rebooting the entire iphone.

Who else is getting these? Are you even checking if you are getting out of sync (maybe you are out of sync and don't know it)?

The faqs say this happens rarely, I find it happens regularly - I don't use my iphone app often, but I need it to work when I do use it and about 1/3 the time it is not correct.

Yes, I filed a support ticket, they said check the synchronization log (without giving enough information to say how, so I had to spend more time on help to figure this out). Gee no errors - it says everything synced fine but there were about 10 tasks not synced (obvious if you look at the counts) and of course those were recent ones and most were the ones I needed.

Fix - well we have to monitor it all the time to catch when it goes out of sync and manually fix it, then do a force sync (copies all one one side to the other which is why you have to monitor and fix things first or you will lose info), and if that doesn't work wipe it off the iphone and then reinstall it. Not an acceptable fix.

If we all make a rucus, maybe they will get this to work reliably.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Feb 28, 2011



I read the forums and help looking for how to repeat a task on the same day of the month (e.g. the 15th of the month). I found this help text:

Format 2: "On the X D of each month". Where X is a number or numerical word (first, second, last, etc) and D is a day of the week (Mon, Tue, Wed, etc). Examples: On the second monday of each month, On the last Fri of each month, On the 3 Sat of each month.

But this does not work for the 15th of the month, only the 3rd Wed.

Toodledo said that there is no way to do the 15th of the month. But I thought I saw in the forums there were people doing this. Setting the task to March 15th then repeating monthly does not work well, as the task might not get done until the 16th or 17th, and then marking it complete would mean it now repeats on the 16th or 17th instead of the 15th.

Anyone able to get Toodleto do repeat on the X day of the month, where x is a number (e.g. 10th, 15th, 13th)? How do you do this?

Toodledo - any plans to create this feature, this is a pretty important feature.

Thanks in advance for any info.
Business Support LLC

Posted: Feb 05, 2011



Another vote for Android.