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Claudio

Posted: Aug 03, 2011



The Toodledo iPhone app is available through iTunes for $2.99.
It does have subtasks if you sync it with a Pro subscription, which costs $14.95 per year. There is no discount if you get the app and the subscription.

BTW, there is no "free version" of the Toodledo app. It seems that you have one of the 3rd party applications: http://www.toodledo.com/tools/directory.php
Claudio

Posted: Aug 28, 2010



Posted by Toodledo:
We listen very carefully to our users, but you have to understand that user requests are only one variable in our prioritization. We also consider other things, such as our resources, skills, complexity of development, competitor actions, interestingness, business impact, etc.
That makes sense.
With location, many of our competitors either had location already (RTM), or were adding it (PocketInformant, 2Do, OmniFocus...). We also had a number of requests for location through our support ticket system. Some of our third-party developers also requested location so that they could implement it and sync properly. We also determined that we had the resources and skills to implement this efficiently. Lastly, it sounded like an interesting project to us.
Again, makes sense. But, I'm a bit surprised that you consider PocketInformant and 2DO as competitors, given that they sync with Toodledo. I guess that means that a big chunk of your revenue comes from your iPhone app, and this explains why so many of your updates have been to the app rather than to the website. And, the ultimate value of Locations will be in the mobile apps, right?
There are already several thousand people using Locations on Toodledo in only 2 days. Contrast this to the half dozen people in this forum claiming that Location is useless.
A bit silly, actually. I created a few locations and added them to tasks. Am I one of the "several thousand" even though I'm not using Locations? And, how specifically are people using Locations without a portable device?
If you do not want to use Location, please leave it disabled and it will not bother you anymore. We are not forcing it on anyone.
I hope that this is just an over-reaction and that you don't actually think that anyone is bothered by the mere presence of the Locations feature.
Improvements to collaboration, subtasks and UI are still top priority items for us, but these are very long and complex projects that impact every part of the website. It takes time to do correctly.
But, the issue isn't just time, right? For those things that you really want to do, you find the time.
We listen very carefully to our users, but you have to understand that user requests are only one variable in our prioritization.
Users don't "have to" do anything. We are the customers. We pay you for providing a service.

Jake, we all appreciate the time and effort that you spend to develop and maintain this website and to communicate with your users. In return, we spend our time and effort to use what you have created, and we pay you for using your website, and some of us pay you to use your iPhone app. Also, some of us take time to help you by answering questions in the forums, and we do it for free.

You are running a business and, in the end, the success of Toodledo will be depend on how successfully it runs as a business, and on how you measure that success.

I'm sure that you carefully consider all feedback.
Thanks again for responding.


This message was edited Aug 28, 2010.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 27, 2010



Posted by kentpavelka:
Also curious if there is some significance to using Google Chrome vs. other browsers. You had asked about that.
No big significance.
You mentioned that the file "drops to the bottom of your screen". That's what happens in Chrome when you download a file. This behavior can be a bit confusing the first time it happens.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 27, 2010



Wow! You're right.

I don't understand what's happening. I've used this feature with other web addresses. eg. http://www.toodledo.com, and I thought I had it working with Google Docs, but I can't get it to work now.

Sorry. Seemed like a great idea.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 27, 2010



Posted by kentpavelka:
When I do this, the text of the document's address shows up in the note...but not in a form that, by clicking on it, will take me to the document. It's just text.
You need to paste the entire address, including the beginning with "https://"

It should be something like: https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id= plus a long string of numbers and letters.

You can also do this to create a link to a folder in Google Docs.


This message was edited Aug 27, 2010.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 27, 2010



Posted by kentpavelka:
Are you saying to do this INSTEAD of attaching the file? In other words...don't use the file attachment option?
Yes. If you are doing a lot of editing of documents.
I assume doing it this way would allow me to edit and save...and thus, have it be a sort of living, breathing thing. Would be identical after this process in both Google Docs & inside Toodledo (as a link...in the task's note)
Yes.
If this is so, what real value is the attachment option, considering all the "problems" it creates?
For files that don't change, eg. photos, pdf files.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 27, 2010



Check out these previous topics:
Folders and Contexts
Folders/Contexts/Tags.

BTW, I found them by typing "Contexts Folders" in the box next to "Search this forum" at the top of the Questions forum.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 27, 2010



Well, it's good to be optimistic!

You make some good points.

Just one nit-picky thing. You mention:
like manual sorting in subtasks -- before manual sorting in general had ever been suggested
Not quite.

Manual ordering of subtasks was introduced on November 13, 2009.

There were many requests for manual sorting before this date, including this one about six months before: Is there a way to control the display order of tasks, and one on March 10, 2008, more than a year and half before, specifically about ordering subtasks: http://www.toodledo.com/forums/2/13/-315/subtask.html.

Yes, compared to some other websites, Toodledo is amazingly responsive, and I think that's why you trust Jake to move in the right direction and at the right pace.

We'll see what happens.


This message was edited Aug 27, 2010.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 27, 2010



First, although you can upload your file in Manage Files and then attach it to a task, you also can directly attach it to a task by clicking on the paper clip icon and choosing New File.

Next, when you "open" the file you are actually downloading it. BTW, are you using Chrome as your browser?

And, you can't edit a file directly. You have to download it, edit it, delete the existing file in Toodledo, and then upload the new file.

If you are doing a lot of editing of documents that are attached to Toodledo tasks, it's probably better to import the document into Google Docs (or create a new document there) and create a link in Toodledo by copying the document's address (from your address bar when you are in the document) and pasting it into the note in a task. This will create a hyperlink to the document in Google Docs.


This message was edited Aug 27, 2010.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 27, 2010



Linden, I agree with you in principle, but let's take a look at the specifics:
If they want to do it right the first time, instead of tweaking it dramatically every 3 months, they need to map out the impacts and plan for how pieces of the puzzle interlock.
The Location feature as currently implemented (without a mobile option and without alerts) is practically useless. Obviously, Toodledo is not "doing it right the first time."
my guess is that other big projects like collaboration and UI are being sketched right now.
Who knows? Jake doesn't tell us what he's working on so all we can do is guess.

From your earlier post:
There actually HAD been a focused clammer for location-aware tasks for a while, and those users were polite enough to trust it was on the todo list and not hammer the forum with repeated requests. Kudos to Toodledo for making it happen.
Interesting distinction between "clammer" and "hammer". So, are you saying that the Location feature was implemented because users were polite???
With a project used by as many people as Toodledo, every update (no matter HOW useful) is going to only be a benefit to a minority of the users.
Not sure about every update being of benefit to a minority of users, but there are small minorities and large minorities. I think it's clear that few users were asking for Location, and even fewer were asking for it as currently implemented. Meanwhile, other more frequently requested features sit on the back burner.
Otherwise you end up with a disconnect between creator and user, like what happened with RTM.
But, it's already happening, and, frankly, I don't see any indication from Jake that the disconnect will improve.

Too bad. He has done a lot of things right, but, he seems to be arbitrary in his selection of which features to implement. And, it seems that's what he prefers: To be unpredictable, so that he "doesn't tip off his competitors."

Let's see how it goes.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 27, 2010



And, with a free account, there's this in the "Delete Completed Tasks" section of Settings:
Old completed tasks are hidden after 1 week, but they are not deleted until the age specified above. To see tasks completed over a week ago, or to save your completed tasks longer than 6 months, you need to upgrade to a Pro Account.
From: http://www.toodledo.com/account_edit.php?edit=12
Claudio

Posted: Aug 26, 2010



Posted by Scott:
For me, this is the scenario I'm seeing. I've got 30 minutes and I'm on the west side, what do I have to do that is in this area, what is close to here? My phone knows where I am, Toodledo knows where the stuff I need to do is, pulling this together to make sure I don't miss anything while I can match the time and location is huge.
How does Toodledo know where the stuff you need to do is? You would have had to entered all the locations for the errands in your task list. Is this practical and realistic? And then you still have to look at your phone to find out what Toodledo knows, right? It's then quite easy to see your list of errands, even without Locations.

In your example, how often are you on the west side? If you are there regularly and you are familiar with the area, then all you need is a list of errands, perhaps organized by Folder, Context, or Tag. If you are rarely on the west side, then it seems highly unlikely that you would key in locations in that area (find it on the map, mark it, and label it as a location) for items like "pick up movie" or "return a library book".
Pay water bill, go to post office, buy cat food, return $5 to Joe, return a library book, pick up a movie, water the plants for fred, drop off business cards at the coworking spot, get guitar strings, get prescription from target, look at new printer, check out new book store, stop in say hey to Sandra sometime, or Bill or Ted, get oil change, buy a new pillow, shop for socks.
I won't address each point individually, but I can see how a few of them might benefit from a location-aware task list.
Thanks.


This message was edited Aug 26, 2010.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 26, 2010



@SRhyse, thanks for your examples, but they involve location-based alerts which are quite different from what is currently available, but I can see how that would be a natural extension of locations. In your example, though, why does the contractor need alerts at the job site? He knows where he is and he can very easily look at the relevant tasks, based on Context, Folders, or Tags.

Your examples about picking up quarters or books seem a bit of a stretch, but I'll acknowledge some potential value of (currently unavailable) location-based alerts.


This message was edited Aug 26, 2010.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 26, 2010



@Boxin, yes RTM has locations, but it also has multi-edit without search, Quick Add, actual sharing, more advanced quick search, a print function, and a cleaner interface, all of which have often been requested by Toodledo users, some for more than two years.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 26, 2010



Posted by Scott:
When locations hit the iPhone, I seriously will consider my iTunes ban and jump on this. It's not a huge feature for me currently in the browser but location aware tasks while mobile are going to be amazing. Taking this update as a first step towards that functionality - I'm excited by the possibilities.
Serious and genuine question: What are the possibilities? I really don't see any value for a location-aware task manager, but I am willing to be enlightened.
Thanks.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 26, 2010



Posted by Dave:
I have only been in the forums since last fall but I don't remember seeing this asked for, but I and many others have constantly been asking for sharing.
And, constantly asking for the ability to sort tasks manually, and multi-edit without Search, and edit the Date Completed, and more than one level of subtasks, and a major overhaul of the interface, and ...
Claudio

Posted: Aug 26, 2010



@melchiz1, yes the sorting is more useful than it used to be.

But, the descending sort is available only on the first field, and when you click on a field to sort, you lose the second and third sort. And, although one of the benefits of a Pro subscription is being able to sort on three fields instead of two (and automatically save that Sort for that View), you go back to one field every time you click on a field to sort -- the other two fields change to Auto.

In any case, if your comment was directed at my request "Perhaps someone else can explain how this feature is useful", I was referring to the Location feature. Of course, it's not always about me, so chances are your comment had nothing to do with I said. ;)


This message was edited Aug 26, 2010.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 26, 2010



@eykanal, I echo your sentiments.

After about a day of thinking about it, I can't come up with a good reason for using the location feature. The best I can come up with is: It's cool.

Perhaps someone else can explain how this feature is useful.

As for "how the Toodledo team prioritizes their time", it's clear that Jake's priorities are different from those of many Toodledo users.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 25, 2010



Posted by Salgud:
Went back and tried the bi-directional sorting again, this time with a Due Date sort, and it worked. I had tried it sorting on Priority and Importance, so I gather it only works on date-based criteria?
It works with any field.
Or, at least, on my computer it does.
Claudio

Posted: Aug 25, 2010



Posted by Toodledo:
If your web browser is location aware, it will automatically update with your current location, otherwise, you can set it manually.
Interesting new feature.

I can set my location in Chrome but not in Firefox. I get this: "Google has disabled use of the Maps API for this application. The client id provided is not valid for this site."

Also, the way of manually selecting the current location seems strange. From Help:
Picking Current Location
You can set your current location from the "Current Location" box on the Location Management page. There are two options: Auto and Manual. If you select "Auto" and if your web browser is location aware, it can automatically update to indicate your current position. Otherwise, you can set your current location manually by dropping a pin onto a map. Your current location is used for calculating distances to tasks, as described in the next section.
It seems to me that my current location is likely to be one of the locations that I've already defined, so, if "Auto" doesn't work, shouldn't I be able to just select one of those locations as my current location instead of navigating in the map?

ETA: I see that the problem above was because of encryption. FWIW, the Auto location is about a mile from my actual location. (I realize that this is not caused by Toodledo but is a limitation of determining a location from an IP address.) And, I realize the greatest value will be when using Toodledo from a mobile device.


This message was edited Aug 25, 2010.
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