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Duo

Posted 3 hrs and 4 mins ago in: iOS Update - June 2020
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Posted by strativourakis:


[...]

*TOODLE-FREAKIN'-DO* released an update after what; 3 YEARS???

[...]

Man do I feel sorry for all y'all who immediately updated it. Truly; I've been in your boat & totally understand.

One small lesson is to NEVER immediately install updates for ANY major, critical app or device you use. ALWAYS wait at LEAST a few days or longer to update and always a good idea to research first to see if others have had problems.

Again; I'm very sorry for the issues users are having; we really shouldn't HAVE to take this much caution when installing app updates, but here we are...

[...]



From what I'm reading it unfortunately seems like many people had auto-update enabled and so received a new broken app automatically.

If as you say, this is the first Toodledo update in over 3 years it would have come out of the blue.

Also, I believe that on iOS it is all or nothing, unlike Android - you can't choose which apps to auto-update. Is that correct?
Duo

Posted 16 hrs and 35 mins ago in: Tasks and Notes disappeared
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  • Posted: 16 hrs and 35 mins ago
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Look in the other forums. There has been plenty of discussion about this issue there.

What happened is that apparently Toodledo updated the iOS app without warning and this new version has a lot of issues. Don't remove the new version until you have read the other posts.

Posted by sech1947:
My tasks and notes have disappeared as of 7/6. I’ve used Toodledo for years daily and have never had this happen. What happened?
Duo

Posted Jan 08, 2020 in: Toodledo Update August 2019
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  • Posted: Jan 08, 2020
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Posted by Ummagumma:

1) They are indeed located in Hong Kong but someone found out some time ago that the person whose name the domain was registered to had a mainland address. See the first review here:

https://alternativeto.net/software/ticktick/reviews/

“ Ticktick.com was registered by a Damon Woo of Xihu Street, Hangzhou, Zhejiang Province, 310007, China.
His email address is damonwoo@gmail.com. (You can also find his phone number... and a whole bunch of other details.)”

Now, they’ve since changed the registration to what looks like some US intermediary company, but it’s clear that someone at TT lived in mainland China, or at least had an address there. And when I first read about this and checked for myself, about two years ago, it was still the same address.

2) This doesn’t really matter anyway because HK autonomy is quickly eroding and a small HK company will not have much leverage if the mainland authorities or criminals or a large corporation become interested in the data they have access to.

3) This is why the location of servers doesn’t mean much from data security perspective if the key people who can access them are located in a less secure place.

And this is why I just can’t trust them with my organization data. We are dealing with lots of somewhat sensitive projects (from business and technological perspective) across many industries and I just don’t want to have to self-censor every task and every note.


Ummagumma,

Thank you for this detailed response and sorry about taking so long to reply; I'm just not on the Toodledo site very much these days.

Unfortunately that review and the other information only increases my own worries. I was trailing TickTick over six years ago because I was never really happy with Toodledo but when I wanted to use it for business purposes I wasn't comfortable putting work tasks, or even the more personal tasks there, so I went all in with Toodledo for a while and kept testing various tools.

I stopped using Toodledo quite a while ago and switched to Todoist but I'm still looking for the tool that fits me and my workflow.


This message was edited Jan 08, 2020.
Duo

Posted Dec 12, 2019 in: Toodledo Update August 2019
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  • Posted: Dec 12, 2019
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Posted by Ummagumma:
Over a year ago, probably in 2017, when I first started looking at TickTick, someone posted the address of the person who owned the domain, and it was in mainland China. I can probably still find the information.

I just checked, and now it's registered through some company in the US. TickTick team says that some of them are in China, some in the US, and that the non-Chinese data is stored on AWS servers in the US. This is all fine and dandy, however if their management or the key members of their team with access to user data are located in China, the physical locations of servers don't mean squat. It's extremely easy to apply pressure to someone in a country like China, especially if this someone is a Chinese citizen or has Chinese citizen relatives / girlfriend / friends.

This is probably not a big deal if you are using it for personal tasks. Nobody cares that your credit card bill is due on Friday. But work-related tasks have far too much project data.


When you say some of them are in China, do you mean Hong Kong? If so please say that, rather than China (or Hong Kong, China, if you feel the need).

Also, as far as I know, they said that they formed while in the US (studying I think) then moved back to Hong Kong.

I used to use TickTick a lot and interacted with them from time to time and I don't remember them saying that some of them were in China.

Regarding data, I believe that they run two different systems; one for Mainland Chinese users, which would have data stored in China and one for everybody else, which has data stored on AWS in the USA. With all systems managed from Hong Kong.


This message was edited Dec 12, 2019.
Duo

Posted Dec 12, 2019 in: Toodledo Update August 2019
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  • Posted: Dec 12, 2019
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Posted by Ummagumma:
My only gripe with TickTick is the service location. I did some digging and while the servers are claimed to be based in Hong Kong, it seems that the address for the owner of domain was in the mainland China. Not that there's going to be much distinction left, eventually, the way the events have been unraveling. China is notorious for industrial espionage and IP theft. Otherwise, it's a very nice service.


Which domain are you talking about?
Duo

Posted Oct 25, 2019 in: Toodledo Update August 2019
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  • Posted: Oct 25, 2019
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Posted by c5000nc:
I've had several emails back and forth with Anant. While he does a poor job of keeping us up to date, he seems pretty dedicated to cleaning up old code before moving on to improvements.

Here's what Anant wrote me earlier this week, partly in response to me asking what others speculated about, namely, merging into RTM.........

"There won't be any merger [with RTM], as Toodledo has a lot more features than RTM or any other tasks management app. We got stuck because of the 7 year old code-base, which has just been patched up over the years. We are working on updating that and releasing a stable release first, before implementing new features."

It sounds like it's taking longer than he thought, to clean up what his predecessors should have done before he was hired.

I for one am just glad Anant's actually doing it every day, even if he doesn't tell us much about the specifics.


He would have known this was an issue well over a year ago. In fact it would have been very clear from talking to Jake during the handover.

I think it is pretty clear that the site is nothing but spaghetti code to anyone using it who has appropriate IT knowledge. So to someone like Anant who has appropriate IT knowledge, access to the back-end, the source code, the original developer plus any documentation that exists, I hardly think it would come as a surprise.
Duo

Posted Sep 17, 2019 in: Toodledo Update August 2019
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  • Posted: Sep 17, 2019
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Posted by KBC1-Gold-Active:
[...]
Someone above mentioned open source, which has pros and cons. In addition to that, I am wondering about the possibility of the dedicated users here somehow creating a group that (legally) acquires a master copy of TD and finds a hosting service somewhere where it can run into perpetuity with crowdfunding by users? Someone else here will understand the potential better than I do -- but the result would be something of a public broadcasting model where users support the service with donations and the service is managed / maintained by volunteers.

The ability to backup a ToodleDo file and restore it into another account would (should?) make it possible for us to upload our current files to another SaaS server running the ToodleDo master code. TO BE CLEAR -- I am advocating that this be done in a totally legal, ethical above-board way with the knowledge and permission of the current ToodleDo owners, and possibly with the cooperating and assistance of the previous owner (Jake?). Sure, there would be some issues to be worked out, but, without getting into too many details too early, does any of this seem plausible?
[...]


@KBC1 it's good that you are trying to find a way forward. However...

I believe that the only way for this to survive is either for them to open source it or for someone to come in who has very deep pockets and a commitment to spend and take losses for some years while trust is rebuilt and a user base that can sustain the product is built.

Even if they open source it it will take quite some time for people with the appropriate skills and an interest to pick up the parts that they can handle or want to handle and for the project to be organised in a way that allows for maintaining and supporting the current system and for the long-term development and support, which would be necessary to secure its future.

The main issue with acquiring the code and just putting it on a server (once setup is complete) is security. Vulnerabilities are discovered all the time and these need to be fixed. Sometimes in the OS, sometimes in the libraries that are being used, sometimes in the code itself, sometimes in other applications like the web server, etc, etc.

Also, as far as I know each part of Toodledo is coded separately, plus there are the old and new versions of each part plus the iOS and Android apps, plus the Beta versions.

There is a lot to do just to maintain the current service from a security standpoint. This is one of the issues I had when the new owners decided to keep Notes, Outlines, Lists and Habits open but not develop them.

Then there is the actual running of the systems and the maintenance of the underlying systems including the servers, web servers, MongoDB and PostgreSQL databases (as far as I know). Could I secure and run it? Yes. Would I secure and run it? No!

Either way the future doesn't look too bright.

Even if people were still willing to pay for the product at the current or even at the pre-buyout price, the new owners have inflicted a great deal of damage to the Toodledo brand and they continue to inflict damage on it to this day. As has been pointed out here recently, good communication is really all they have left to offer and they are failing at that too.


This message was edited Sep 17, 2019.
Duo

Posted Sep 11, 2019 in: Toodledo Update August 2019
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  • Posted: Sep 11, 2019
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Posted by c5000nc:
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3. Many of us have critical information for our businesses and personal lives on ToodleDo, and want some assurance it is safe, backed up, etc. Part of that assurance is that ToodleDo has enough financial resources to pay the server bills, etc. We need plenty of notice to back up, move to another platform, etc., if that were to not be the case. We hope it won't be, because most of us want to stay on the ToodleDo platform.

[...]


Well if the handling of the product over the last year wasn't enough to ring a warning bell for you, surely the antics over the last couple of months are a klaxon going off right next to your ear.

For a while I only had Tasks that required review every month or longer in Toodledo as well as old Notes, old Lists and old Outlines. Starting in June I took the time to make sure they were all fully exported and to import any data that I require easy access to into other tools. It was very time consuming but it's done.

Even if you don't want to move to another application right now, I strongly recommend making your own daily data backups or perhaps setting up something like IFTTT to write out every item of data and every change to a Google Doc or something similar and then also doing a weekly export from Toodledo.


This message was edited Sep 11, 2019.
Duo

Posted Aug 22, 2019 in: Feature Roadmap and New Pricing Plans
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  • Posted: Aug 22, 2019
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Great find @Scott Florack!

If this is real then it's looking more and more like the situation with Nirvana - push out a lifetime subscription then leave the servers up for a while but do nothing else.

From the Stacksocial site linked above:
Lifetime Plus subscription ls $39.99 down from $249.40 - when was this ever offered at any price?
3 Year Plus subscription $29.99 down from $179.64.
1 year Plus subscription $19.95 down from $59.88.

So basically for $4.11 more than the Standard 1 year subscription, priced at $35.88, you can have a Plus subscription for life???

Perhaps jacking up the prices to insane levels wasn't such a good idea after all.


This message was edited Aug 22, 2019.
Duo

Posted Aug 22, 2019 in: Moving On: Final Post
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  • Posted: Aug 22, 2019
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One hidden post in this thread (for me) by @DrFrankBuck as noted by @Larry2 in this thread:

https://www.toodledo.com/forums/2/27251/0/anant-can-you-give-us-an-update.html

From the search:
https://www.toodledo.com/forums/search_power.php?user=821630


Posted 1 day ago in: Moving On: Final Post

Remember the Milk is a terrific option. I made the move in October and was up and running in no time.
Enhancement Toodledo talked about such as migrating overdue tasks forward is already there in RTM. Collaboration is there even in the free version.
The note field is automatically date/time stamped.
Editing multiple tasks is easier.
The keyboard shortcuts amazing.
If you want drag-and-drop ordering of tasks, it's there.

When I chose Toodledo 6 or so years ago, I preferred it over Remember the MIlk. But in 2016, RTM went through a significant upgrade.


This message was edited Aug 22, 2019.
Duo

Posted Aug 22, 2019 in: Feature Roadmap and New Pricing Plans
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  • Posted: Aug 22, 2019
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Posted by Purveyor:
For those who think that Toodledo is dying, web traffic has increased in the past 90 days:
Alexa traffic stats.

Well, perhaps it's all the users jumping ship and they're exporting their tasks ...
Or it could be that advertising is driving new users to the website.
We don't know how successful Toodledo is now compared to when Jake ran the show.


You're right. It has increased in the last 90 days - I seem to remember that they did hire a marketing person to drive traffic here.

That doesn't mean there are any or many conversions, especially since they removed links to the pricing for those who have not signed up.

Also, according to Jake's web page the site was ranked in the top 10,000 (at some point) but when I looked at Alexa yesterday it was in the top 18,000. It would be good to see more than 90 days worth of Alex data.

Posted by Purveyor:

BTW, am I the only one who is bothered by the fact that the "Last Post" for all active topics listed in the News Forum is "by Toodledo"?


No. It bothers me too.


This message was edited Aug 22, 2019.
Duo

Posted Aug 22, 2019 in: Anant, can you give us an update?
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  • Posted: Aug 22, 2019
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Well now, @DrFrankBuck, logged in or logged out, the same happens to me.

You are dead to me!!!

Only your memory lives on via the search... for now.

Also, the thread count here was 11 when I posted but I could only see only 9 posts.

I can't see your very old posts either. For instance in the post "Searching in Chrome", posted on March 25, 2013, I can only see Jake's reply.

In the last year there are many times when I have seen something like this happen - the thread stamp time has been adjusted but the latest post isn't visible.

I used to think that the post was awaiting approval by a moderator. Now it appears to be something else - your posts appear to be hidden.

I guess a newer timestamp than the last visible post or a higher post count than the visible number of posts are both indicators that something is amiss.

@Larry2 thanks for pointing this out.


This message was edited Aug 22, 2019.
Duo

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  • Posted: Aug 17, 2019
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Posted by dotparker:
I just spent half the day testing out Clickup in hopes it could replace Toodledo. Nope. Clickup is SLOOOOW and wastes so much screen real estate with blank space, plus it cannot do boolean-based reports (or a Hotlist that includes both Due Today and Next Actions all on one screen). But, the killer is the slow as molasses performance of the Clickup Windows client. I need to get things done, and the wait time for screen refresh is nuts. Sticking with Toodledo with fingers crossed that they succeed.


Were you able to test the 2.0 beta?
Duo

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  • Posted: Aug 17, 2019
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Posted by greginfla:
Does Toodledo have a history of taking down negative post? I notice the threat pro/cons of toodledo alternative seems to be taken down. If it was my business I would too, but I haven't seen this activity in the past. Just wondering if this is a new charter of Toodeldo.


It's still there in the 'Questions' forum:

https://www.toodledo.com/forums/2/26261/0/proscons-of-alternatives-to-toodledo.html

but now it's currently back on page 3 since the last reply was on July 18th 2019.

I'm pretty sure I answered that same question a couple of weeks ago but I can't see that post anywhere.
Duo

Posted Aug 17, 2019 in: Dangerous Bug
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  • Posted: Aug 17, 2019
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Posted by SirLouen:
Who is Jack?


Jake was the creator of Toodledo. He ran it for many years up until last year:

https://www.toodledo.com/forums/1/25931/0/future-plans.html
Duo

Posted Aug 16, 2019 in: Dangerous Bug
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  • Posted: Aug 16, 2019
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Posted by SirLouen:


[...]

What it's quite intriguing is what @Duo comments. A heavy recurring user not falling into this?
The most common scenario happens with checking multiple dailies at once

So it's extremely easy to reproduce this bug:

1. Create a lot of dailies, 40 or 50
2. Check them all at once in groups of 10
3. You will see that at least 1 or 2 will end the recurring process.

Maybe there is a sync issue or something. But months continue without this being solved.


@SirLouen

I read your comment and it made me realise that I need to clarify something -

I USED to be a heavy Toodledo user but not any more.

I stopped using Toodledo for anything other than tasks that only had to be reviewed every few months and historical data shortly after Jake left.

I haven't been in a position to know whether recurring tasks work or not since last year.

I NEVER ran into this issue during my many years of heavy usage while Jake was running the show and I didn't see a stream of reports either.

What I wrote previously does not make the critical point that I have not used the software for recurring tasks since before changes were made by the new owners.


Posted by Duo:
[...]

I am a very, very heavy user of recurring tasks (many every day, every other day, several a week, several per month, quarterly, bi-annually, every 9 months, annually) and if there is an issue with them I notice right away (as I have done when there are issues on other platforms).

I have never run into this bug and I never saw any complaints about it before, although my not running into the bug and not seeing the odd complaint doesn't really mean much. However, I have never seen a barrage of complaints like I have now and I know that now many people who used Toodledo heavily over the past 4 years no longer use it.

[...]


Apologies. This should have contained a statement to the effect that I no longer use this platform in that way. Without that it is misleading as to my recent and current usage.

I had planned to add something about that as well as pointing out that if I were experiencing those issues and had still been using Toodledo I would have stopped almost immediately.
Duo

Posted Aug 04, 2019 in: Adroid app due date problems
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  • Posted: Aug 04, 2019
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Posted by enigment:
Hmmm, I see that the DGT GTD Value Pack has Dropbox backup and restore, as well as FTP sync, either of which might have gotten me out of the Toodledo nonsense.

Is there more info about these features somewhere? It's not listed on the DGT web page.

FWIW, I'd never heard of that pack before you posted about it. Were DGT users supposed to have been notified? Why is it a separate install if it's still free?


I seem to remember that there was also forum.

I don't know why they were implemented as separate packages. Possibly to allow for modifications without affecting the main code or maybe to allow separate charging should the developer wish? I also see that SODA has similar packages so it may be the developer's preferred way to package them.

I'm not clear as to your question here, "Were DGT users supposed to have been notified?" Notified about what?
Duo

Posted Aug 04, 2019 in: Adroid app due date problems
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  • Posted: Aug 04, 2019
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Posted by enigment:
Interesting question about Toodledo's longevity. At one point it was a big player, but it seems to have been overtaken over time. Do you have any specific reason for concern?
[...]



I, and others have a lot of reasons for concern - read around the forums a bit and I think you'll understand.

This post from a few days ago by rubenB seems to cover a few of the issues:
https://www.toodledo.com/forums/2/27089/-122007/read.html#jump
Duo

Posted Aug 04, 2019 in: What has changed in the last year?
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  • Posted: Aug 04, 2019
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Posted by Larry2:


[...]
Since I use a third party ios app I'm not inclined to renew just to use it and Toodledo "premium" features.
[...]



Larry2, you may be forced to renew if you want to keep using Toodledo as the back end.

I believe that now only their own apps sync with the free version. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Duo

Posted Jul 29, 2019 in: Adroid app due date problems
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  • Posted: Jul 29, 2019
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Posted by enigment:


[...]
So I'm confused. DGT should tell you if the integration isn't working. I never used Toodledo itself, so I never knew my data wasn't updating. Looks like it might not have updated Toodledo at least since late June, maybe as early as some time in March. It's hard to know, since you can't see modification date in the TD web app. And it doesn't matter much, not working now.


I don't know how Toodledo blocked integration. Perhaps the app now waits forever instead of getting rejected with an error code.

On Toodledo Web there is a little down arrow to the left of each task. On the old layout you can see the date added. On the new layout you can see the date added and the date modified.

Also if you sort first by date added or the date modified it should show up on the right on both layouts.


Posted by enigment:


[...]
So, I don't know what to do going forward. I haven't found any apps that are as simple and easy to use as DGT, with the features I need. I'm not a serious formal GTD-er, really just *need* a well-behaved calendar and reminders that actually work and can be snoozed. One option I guess is to upgrade TD, pay the $35/yr, but I'm not clear on the likely future of GTD/SODA, or its timing.


I just had a quick check and it looks like DGT GTD was last updated in April 14, 2019 and the DGT GTD Value Pack in March 18, 2019 so it looks like that's still being maintained.

As for SODA I think that is now very much on the back burner since development slowed to pretty much nothing a while ago.

My worry would be whether Toodledo will be around in 12 months.


This message was edited Jul 29, 2019.
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