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Ummagumma

Posted Sep 06, 2019 in: Apple Watch App
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IIRC the AW app was never updated for WatchOS 4. It only worked on 3.
Ummagumma

Posted Sep 01, 2019 in: Toodledo Update August 2019
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Posted by AA:
Posted by Ummagumma:
Not having a workable modern mobile application is a huge problem.


You're exaggerating, I think. I use the Toodledo app on both Android and on iOS, and they're fine. Of course, I now only use Toodledo for tasks management and nothing else, the other sections being too buggy/unreliable.

In any case, given the current state of things, doubling or tripling subscription prices compared to Jake's era is insanity.

Guys, I knew it all along. As soon as I read the opening line of Jake's message announcing his sale of Toodledo ("Today is an exciting day for Toodledo", or something like that), I knew that was the beginning of the end. And here it is.


Well, with all due respect, I don't believe I am exaggerating at all.

Toodledo mobile app on iOS does not provide background sync. At least it didn't when I used it. So unless I use a 3rd party tool that did provide background sync capability, I would have to remember to manually sync tasks if I was on a business trip and wanted to be alerted on time.

It also does not support attachments - a premium feature that is one of the main perks of Gold subscription.

It doesn't support Apple Watch or widgets.

Basically, TD on iOS is an archaic app, just a little better than browser window.

While I was still using Pocket Informant, this didn't really matter. Then PI was sold and became subscription based - on top of a redesign that I personally could not stand. This is when I realized all the limitations of TD on iOS.

This is all a moot point, really.
Ummagumma

Posted Aug 31, 2019 in: Toodledo Update August 2019
Score: 1
Hello Anant,

While Marc's reply is a bit harsh, in my opinion, he does raise a few important points.

The lack of communication is very bad for user morale. Especially when there may have been some major shakeup at the top level which goes unannounced.

Giving _lifetime_ subscriptions to new members which are cheaper than _yearly_ subscription that the loyal existing users are expected to pay is very bad for morale, it's a slap in the face actually. And the potential new users who fail to get the lifetime subscriptions are still going to be turned off by a very high price of the service. This reeks of desperation. The whole new pricing strategy has been extremely poorly thought through and executed, it really needs to be revamped back to sane level taking into account Toodledo's actual standing in the market.

Not having a workable modern mobile application is a huge problem. Marc may be fine with pen and paper, but it's almost 2020 and you can't attract new users without it.

All the bugs that don't get fixed are a huge problem.

All together, it does not look good and paints a picture of a service in agony.

Communicate, that's now one of your most important jobs. Even if the service is not dead already, it certainly will be if you lose the trust of your loyal user base, the ones who keep paying the bills. New users are going to read this forum and it does not instill confidence in TD.

The best of luck.
Ummagumma

Posted Aug 24, 2019 in: Feature Roadmap and New Pricing Plans
Score: 3
It's a quick money grab, indeed. And it reeks of desperation.

Not surprising, either. I predicted this long ago. A service that has less name recognition than most competition, has an outdated interface, no modern workable mobile client or Apple Watch client, no Windows sync client or desktop app, yet is suddenly 2-3 times more expensive than its competitors. How would it do anything but scare off potential new users and drive away most of the old paying ones ? A few diehard old users willing to pay these prices aren't going to make up for these losses.

Greed and unrealistic expectations destroyed more than one product.

So, with this new "Lifetime" subscription drive, there's three possible outcomes:

1) They will keep the servers running for a few months / years without making any major changes to the program.

2) They will collect as many subscriptions as they can, then fold or sell to someone who may or may not keep the servers going or honor these lifetime subscriptions.

3) They will use the money to improve service, fix bugs, add mobile clients, and save Toodledo.

We'll see which way it goes... but this whole situation makes me really sad.


This message was edited Aug 24, 2019.
Ummagumma

Posted Aug 21, 2019 in: Moving On: Final Post
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Posted by mjbernstein:

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For me now the best part of Toodledo is chatting back and forth on the forum!!

Marc


Same here !


This message was edited Aug 21, 2019.
Ummagumma

Posted Aug 21, 2019 in: Moving On: Final Post
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Posted by mjbernstein:
It seems strange but I am rediscovering paper and I realize that maybe the computer thing made it really easy for me to do the trivial stuff but really did not force me to review enough.

I am 53 so I grew up with paper planning and seems like riding a bike. Got right back up and feels great.


I am almost the same age and remember wishing that paper gave me reminders and was always there when I wanted to review it... to me, there's no way back :)
Ummagumma

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The problem is, its current pricing structure can only be supported by enterprise users. There’s not enough laypeople willing to pay these subscription prices for a niche service with low name recognition in a highly competitive market.

All paid services are getting squeezed. I’ve been using the free MS ToDo for the past two months, started playing with it for sh*ts&giggles but find it actually very decent - whatever deficiencies it may have (hey, it’s Microsoft!) is offset by it having both a full featured desktop client (on W10 and Mac) and a full featured web access client, on top of mobile. It supports file attachments and a level of email integration (only with Microsoft or exchange accounts).

Apple Reminders are getting a major facelift, too. AFAIK separate alarm and due dates, attachments, and some level of natural input. Supposed to go live in September.

I am sure that Google will follow the lead, too.

To survive in this environment, a paid task service would need to pull quite a few tricks. And trying to sell to enterprises is .... a daunting task, to say the least. The dragons at the gates look at the bottom line and don’t understand why they must pay for something they are already paying for with Office 365 or G-Suite.

I am not an entrepreneur, but if it was me, I’d try to give Toodledo a major visual facelift, create simple yet attractive mobile clients, drop notes and habits and goals, and use blogs and social media to promote the heck out of task management systems that utilize TD’s unique features (start time, advance filtering etc). Sell a method, not a service, and make it as attractive as possible.

However the train has left already, I’m afraid...
Ummagumma

Posted Aug 15, 2019 in: Moving On: Final Post
Score: 2
I've moved on months ago. Used iOS reminders with GoodTask, for the past couple of weeks have been playing with MS ToDo / Outlook.com tasks - still synced to Reminders, and with my new "Keep It Simple, Stupid" approach, I can just copy tasks between systems with little tweaking.

Despite its many bugs and "why on earth did they do that" moments, To Do is really growing on me. It's simple, fast, available on any Windows 10 system, has a full blown web interface, and a semi-decent iOS app. It is missing some functionality, but as I am trying to use a task management system that is as platform independent as possible, this is actually a good thing for me.

At any rate, I don't have any desire to come back...
Ummagumma

Posted Aug 02, 2019 in: What has changed in the last year?
Score: 2
Posted by Larry2:
I admit I haven't followed development too much this past year.
...


Boy, are you in for a treat...


This message was edited Aug 02, 2019.
Ummagumma

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Yes, no reason to scare them right away, let them create an account so that Toodledo got at least something... like reporting “we had thousands on new users signing up !”
Ummagumma

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Actually there *is* a way to do it if you sync your 2Do with Apple Reminders - you can paste multiple lines of text from Notes into the New Reminder entry field and they become individual Reminders. But you still need to set Due date separately for each one.
Ummagumma

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Posted by rubenB:
Thx, Umma, for staying plugged in and sharing your sage thoughts. (app agnostic stripped down use of task features most interesting)


LOL, you're making me blush :)

I have spent much time on this forum and received some very helpful advice over the years. I am no longer using Toodledo but I do come back every now and then.
Ummagumma

Score: 0
Posted by M:
Umma, ios/iphone


I really like Goodtask on iOS, but I don't know if there's a way to mass paste text as tasks into it. Just not the kind of functionality I ever need.

I am pretty sure however that there was a Shortcut to mass paste into 2Do. I ran across it somewhere. Try searching for it.


This message was edited Jul 20, 2019.
Ummagumma

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Posted by M:
I trust my data on Toodledo less and less every day. I'm seeing the posts about the bugs, with no responses. I'm just not sure my data will be here tomorrow.

I've already started moving my list to a homegrown system involving Excel, but I had been using Toodledo as my sync method and pasting my "focus tasks" into Toodledo for management on 2Do. (I really love 2Do!) But I'm preparing for the eventuality that the Toodledo team will, someday, come on here (if we even get a warning) to tell us that they're shutting down tomorrow. Their lack of communication is really pretty insulting.

The one feature I really liked about Toodledo that facilitated my new workflow was the ability to take multiple lines of plain text and paste them in ("add multiple tasks") and have each line become a separate task.

Has anyone who is looking at alternatives come across anything that will allow input of tasks, like that?

I'm thinking I need some kind of Todo.txt app for my "focus," while (hopefully) keeping my tasks in Excel for filtering, sorting, managing.

Thanks for any input!


What platform are you using 2Do on ?
Ummagumma

Posted Jul 05, 2019 in: Pros/Cons of Alternatives to Toodledo.
Score: 0
Posted by M:
UmmaGumma,
>> email to task - I use IFTTT for that

I have not been able to get that to work. There's a specific email address you need (trigger@applet.ifttt.com ) and, when I send to that from the email address that I log into IFTTT with, nothing happens.

Is that the way you email to task?


Yes.

In order for it to work, the stars must align just right ;)

- Your email address that you are sending from must be the one registered with IFTTT for applets
- the tag must have a # in front of it (e.g. #llAct)
- you can't force close IFTTT on your iPhone

It's been somewhat flakey every now and then, but worked fine for me lately. It doesn't always creates the task right away.

I don't use it for the really important stuff, only emails I don't want to forget about. Most of my tasks created from emails are work related and I just copy email to task in Outlook.
Ummagumma

Posted Jul 05, 2019 in: Pros/Cons of Alternatives to Toodledo.
Score: 0
Posted by Purveyor:
@Ummagumma,

Would you please clarify what software you're using to track your tasks?
You mention Outlook and it seems that you are still using Toodledo. Is that right?

Thanks.


I am no longer using Toodledo, just browsing the forums - the community here is just as important to me as the tool used to be.

I do use Outlook. It's what our company uses, and it's an incredibly powerful task manager with query-filter based custom views and conditional formatting. Using dates, priorities, and text tags, I can make it do pretty much anything. No subtasks - this can be achieved via a number of 3rd party add-ons, but I never really felt the need to use them in my task lists anyway. I develop all my projects in Onenote or iThoughts (a mind-mapper / outliner) and only export individual actionable tasks to my task list, to keep it uncluttered. So all of my outlining is done outside of my task manager.

I installed Outlook on my home laptop and desktop, too (if you're in the US and your company uses MS Office, chances are you could buy it for something like $14 IIRC for personal use). Just to keep things simple and repeatable. However, I also tried free open source solution - Thunderbird with Lightning extension for calendar and tasks. It was actually pretty good, I was able to sync my Reminders and set up the several custom views that I use, with some tweaking. Still prefer Outlook, it's more stable on Windows, and more refined.

On the mobile side, I use iOS Reminders as my base, and there's a number of 3rd party apps that provide extra functionality on top of it. My favorite at the moment is GoodTask, mainly because it's very fast, very configurable, and automates or speeds up many user actions (e.g. adding and removing a custom tag, setting quick due date), and has a very good Apple Watch companion app. I was also able to use 2Do. Basically, any app that uses iOS Reminders and adds things like sorting by due date or subject, filtering by due date or text in subject, and some tools to speed up entry would work just fine.

The same approach would work if using Google Tasks, too. Even on iOS, there's a couple task managers that sync with GT and would work for me. On Android, there should be tons of apps. Again, as long as all you use is common fields like Subject and Due Date, the choice is huge.

It would also work with MS Outlook tasks. I actually first tried using Outlook.com as opposed to Apple Reminders, there were some syncing issues, but otherwise the whole system worked just as well. When I decided that Outlook.com wasn't working out for me, I just moved all of my tasks from Outlook account folder to iCloud tasks folder in desktop Outlook, and that was it. All of my filters and conditional formatting and custom views worked just as before.

So, the beauty of this method, for me, is that I can literally use about any app or program, without changing my workflow or having to edit my tasks.

Some workarounds I came up with in the process:

- file attachments - I could technically use them, but then I'd be again locking myself into a feature that may not be supported everywhere. Instead, I use links to cloud storage or local storage, embedded into notes field. Same with phone numbers, url links, etc.

- email to task - I use IFTTT for that, or just forward the email to myself with a tag llAct in the subject.

- Action items everywhere - I use llAct tag everywhere (documents, excel spreadsheets, PDF comments etc) and I have a reminder to search for llAct tagged items every other day. I tweaked Windows Indexing to look everywhere I can have my records, and it works great so far.


This message was edited Jul 05, 2019.
Ummagumma

Posted Jul 04, 2019 in: Pros/Cons of Alternatives to Toodledo.
Score: 0
Thank you, it’s a simple setup but it took a lot of time to fine tune it, so I am glad if it can save somebody else all the frustration.

Now that I’ve been using same plaintext tags everywhere,I can’t believe just how powerful of a feature it is, or why more people don’t make extensive use of it.
Ummagumma

Posted Jul 03, 2019 in: Pros/Cons of Alternatives to Toodledo.
Score: 2
I've posted this somewhere on this forum before, but I've completely changed the way I handle task attributes after Toodledo's ongoing clustermuck story began, and I don't think that I am forced to use any one app or service anymore.

The problem with going with RTM / Marvin / 2Do / whatever is that the user has to change their workflow to fit the new feature set and this means once again locking yourself into a relatively rigid setup & inevitable pain once that setup is broken - whether 1, 5, or 15 years down the road.

KISS rules... Make it so simple that your task attributes can sync to any service, and will be useful with most.

Which to me, means that the only task attributes I use are Subject, Due Date, Alert, and Notes. These exist in pretty much every task management software.

The rest is all handled via plain text labels, filters, and sorting.

In my new (although pretty old) setup, the Start Date has been replaced by Due Date, and a hard deadline (if exists) is added in front of the task subject.

Every task gets a Due Date - this is the date which triggers action (either work on it, or postpone it until later).

The tags, contexts, goals are all plaintext tags added to the end of subject line (could go into Notes to keep things neat and clean, but I prefer to be able to glance at my task list and see the tags right away). I put duplicate letters in front of tags so that I could easily find them later using Windows Indexing or iOS Spotlight search (they don't play well with special characters). E.g., if I want to follow up on a task, I put llFU after the subject. There's not many (any) words that I know of that contain "llfu"", so only the relevant records will be found. I automate tag creation by using Texter in Windows and iOS' built in Keyboard Shortcuts, so I only have to type 3 letters for every tag.

Only some tasks get tagged.

I use separate accounts for work and personal tasks. I could use the same account and just add llWork and llPRS tags.


So, my typical task would look like this:

190924 Submit proposal for review ProjABC llDave llAnne

with due date on 8/26, alert on 9/23 9am.

This task is due on September 24 (hard due date / deadline), I plan to start on it on August 26, it is part of Project ABC, and Dave and Anne have assignments related to it.

I can search by ProjABC and find all tasks related to that project
I can search by llAnne and find all tasks assigned to or waiting on input from Anne (and ll in front make it a unique word to avoid false results)
I can sort by Subject and get the list of my tasks with hard deadlines, arranged by due date.
I can sort by Due Date and get the list of my tasks arranged by when I plan on starting them.
I can set up custom views and conditional formatting in Outlook (or Thunderbird, or most other clients) using these tags.
I can use the same tags in Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, or any other kind of file, and gather all records tagged with them across various sources using global search (e.g. Spotlight).

And the best thing is, this would work with almost anything.


This message was edited Jul 03, 2019.
Ummagumma

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Reddit has a lot of app discussions
Ummagumma

Posted Apr 20, 2019 in: Feature Roadmap and New Pricing Plans
Score: 0
It was an excellent service for a very long time. Which is why so many loyal users kept coming back to it and continued to support it even as the development slowed down.

But now, it’s ridiculously overpriced and badly antiquated or outright lacking in many areas that are important to me - desktop sync, Apple Watch support, seamless integration with Reminders, the Apple client is in a rather sad state, subtask filtering is very clunky, no attachments on mobile...

Even under the old subscription model, buying it was more trying to support a service that I was somewhat nostalgically attached to, and the developer who was very generous over the years.

Now, with all of the old shortcomings, the new owners whom I owe no loyalty to, and a jacked up price that’s more expensive than most of their competitors, I am not sure what they expected us to do...
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